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RaceTripper
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Post subject: SS Brake Lines and Fluid Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:49 pm |
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I'm installing a set of StopTech SS brake lines. At the same time I'm going to put in a higher temp brake fluid. What do people recommend for use mostly on street, but with track events mixed in? I"m assuming I'll replace brake fluid once or twice a year before track schools.
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Dean
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:45 pm |
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| BMW F1 Car Driver |
Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:35 am Posts: 3531 Location: Simsbury, CT
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ATE Typ 2000, or gold. I flush it before a school.
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RaceTripper
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:35 am |
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| E36 M3 LTW Driver |
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Ausgezeichnet wrote: ATE Typ 2000, or gold. I flush it before a school.
That's race spec right?
Is it appropriate for general street use?
How often should it be changed?
Thx...
Dean
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vinnymac
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:38 am |
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dwette wrote: Ausgezeichnet wrote: ATE Typ 2000, or gold. I flush it before a school. That's race spec right? Is it appropriate for general street use? How often should it be changed? Thx... Dean
Get ATE Type 200 or ATE Super Blue...it's the exact same stuff...just different colors.
Any DOT4 brake fluid will be fine. "Race" fluids are fine for street use. The only difference is higher wet and dry boiling points. Make sure you properly bleed the system after you install the new lines and get ALL the air out.
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RaceTripper
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:45 am |
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| E36 M3 LTW Driver |
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vinnymac wrote: Get ATE Type 200 or ATE Super Blue...it's the exact same stuff...just different colors.
Any DOT4 brake fluid will be fine. "Race" fluids are fine for street use. The only difference is higher wet and dry boiling points. Make sure you properly bleed the system after you install the new lines and get ALL the air out.
Thanks Vince. I'm having Reid Vann do the lines and flush. I'd like to start learning to do these things on my own, but I don't want to start with a brake system by myself right before a DE.
I will ask them to se ATE Type 200.
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RaceTripper
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:57 am |
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| E36 M3 LTW Driver |
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Just Right wrote: www.bavauto.com has a great "Bavarian Autosport Brake Bleeder Kit" that let's you bleed/flush brakes by yourself when you're ready to tackle it yourself. It's about $50 but should pay for itself quickly. Thanks, maybe in Spring I'll do it my self. Maybe change to a set of better pads at that time. Just Right wrote: The two above mentioned fluids are great to alternate between because you know for sure when the old fluid is out because it is a different color.
That much I know already. 
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Connecticut Yankee
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:48 pm |
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| BMW F1 Car Driver |
Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:35 am Posts: 3531 Location: Simsbury, CT
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[quote="dwette]That's race spec right?
Is it appropriate for general street use?
How often should it be changed?
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I don't think it's a race fluid. Those are even higher boiling point.
ATE is just a better street fluid.
You're supposed to change fluids every 1yr to 2 yrs for normal use, depending on how aggressive of a maintenance program you want to maintain. Because of the number of DEs I do, I end up bleeding brakes much more often and as a result end up having a full flush every 6 months. I usually bleed the brakes before every school. Ocasionally I have even bled them at the track at the end of the first day.
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RaceTripper
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:05 pm |
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Ausgezeichnet wrote: I don't think it's a race fluid. Those are even higher boiling point. ATE is just a better street fluid. You're supposed to change fluids every 1yr to 2 yrs for normal use, depending on how aggressive of a maintenance program you want to maintain. Because of the number of DEs I do, I end up bleeding brakes much more often and as a result end up having a full flush every 6 months. I usually bleed the brakes before every school. Ocasionally I have even bled them at the track at the end of the first day.
I thought the high-temp fluids (like ATE Type 200) are more hydroscopic and you have to flush every 6 months if you use them. My plan now is to start doing more schools (at least 2-4 a year), and to flush at least twice a year anyway.
If it's not racing fluid, why is it called "Super Blue Racing?"
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:46 pm |
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dwette wrote: If it's not racing fluid, why is it called "Super Blue Racing?"
Marketing?
Would you buy it if it said "Super Blue Better Than the Everyday Stuff"?
I guess it would qualify as being indicated for sporting purposes and overkill for your dad's Buick, but it is not necessarily a racing fluid.
Racing fluids are good for 570 deg. F to 610 deg. F dry boiling point. ATE has a 535 F dry boiling point. DOT 4 fluid has a minimum dry boiling point of 446F.
Check this for some interesting info on brake fluids: http://www.xs11.com/tips/maintenance/maint1.shtml
And for the ulitmate info on brake fluids here's a write up by Carrol Smith (autor of "Tune to Win", "Engineer to Win" and other race car buliding books. http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_brakefluid_1a.shtml
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RaceTripper
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:12 pm |
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| E36 M3 LTW Driver |
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:18 pm Posts: 573 Location: U City
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Thanks. Good info to have handy. So looks like I'll get ATE Super Blue Better Than Offical BMW Service Center fluid.
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vinnymac
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:48 pm |
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Just Right wrote: The two above mentioned fluids are great to alternate between because you know for sure when the old fluid is out because it is a different color.
Keep in mind the color change is really only good for a few bleeds before it all turns green or blue. I used to buy yellow and blue fluid to alternate but found it more of a hassle than anything.
Now I just call apexperformance.net and order a case of ATE Super Blue and use the same stuff all year long.
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Last edited by vinnymac on Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:31 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Connecticut Yankee
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:51 am |
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Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:35 am Posts: 3531 Location: Simsbury, CT
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[quote="vinnymac]Now I just call apexperformance.com and order a case of ATE Super Blue and use the same stuff all year long.[/quote]
Actually it's apexperformance.net, I tried apexperformance.com and got a website developer. Case of 10 = $95, compared to $11-12 + shipping elsewhere. We can also do a group buy and split a case or two come spring.
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buldogge
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Post subject: Hey Guys... Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:27 pm |
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| E36 M3 LTW Driver |
Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:40 pm Posts: 576 Location: St. Louis
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Good cheap alternatives to the ATE stuff are...
Valvoline Synth (Autozone, etc.)
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Ford HEAVY DUTY DOT4 (at the dealer...cheap)
Personally, I use Motul 600 in the race car of course... 
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